We present the second event in the series of conversations, in collaboration with Smeg, dedicated to three themes of contemporary design: popularity, technology and durability. In this meeting on hidden technology, the theme is explored through a dialogue between American game designer Nina Freeman (Star Maid Games) and set designer and theater director Fabio Cherstich. A conversation that compares the creation of fictional universes, between real and digital. The meeting is moderated by Marco Sammicheli, Director of Museo del Design Italiano di Triennale, who will also involve in the discussion the designers Raffaella Mangiarotti and Matteo Bazzicalupo, founders of the deepdesign® studio, and creators of Smeg's small appliances collection.